Part 7 Isn’t eternal punishment for temporal sins overkill?

John 3:16 gives us the answer, and that is we are not born with immortality. Without immortality a person can not burn forever in hell. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE.
The word perish, as mentioned in John 3:16 in the Greek is, apollumi which means to DESTROY FULLY.
There is nowhere in the bible the words eternal soul or immortal soul is mentioned. Looking at scripture. I Timothy 6:15, 16. “Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, Lord of lords; (talking about Jesus) WHO ONLY hath immortality, dwelling in the Light, which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see (talking of God the Father) to whom be honor and power everlasting.” — I Corinthians 15:53 – For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this MORTAL must put on Immortality. If you had immortality you wouldn’t have to put it on. There are many scriptures that says the soul dies, or about the SAVING of the soul, “Let him know that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, James 5:20. But nowhere does it say you have an eternal or immortal soul without Jesus Christ. That was the very reason he came into the world to give you eternal life because of the loss of the soul’s immortality suffered in the garden. Adam and Eve did not die that DAY haven eaten from the tree of Good and Evil. Adam lived to be over 900 years old.
Now about the flames of hell. You would have to have an immortal soul to burn throughout eternity as stated above, and the only way to have immortality is through Jesus Christ. Let’s look at another verse of scripture in Revelation 20:14, 15. “And death and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, (Death of the soul).”
Read Psalms 92:7 “When wicked spring up as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be DESTROYED FOREVER.” Hebrews 9:27 “And as it is appointed unto man ONCE to die, but after this the judgment, showing the error of reincarnation.” EZEKIEL 18:4, 20: “The soul that sinneth it shall die!”

Jer.7:30,31says; For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the Lord: they have set their ABOMINATIONS in my house which is called by my name, to POLLUTE it. And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of Hinnom, TO BURN THEIR SONS AND THEIR DAUGHTERS IN THE FIRE; WHICH I COMMANDED THEM NOT, NEITHER CAME IT UNTO MY HEART.Duet. 12:30-31 Take heed to thy self, thou shalt not do so unto the lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, WHICH HE HATETH, HAVE THEY DONE UNTO THEIR gods; for even their sons and their daughters THEY HAVE BURNT IN THE FIRE TO THEIR GODS. Yet we still hear preached that if you are a sinner, God’s going to burn you for all eternity. These two scriptures show God hates the burning even of the children of the ungodly (sinners). It is certainly understandable why many have rejected the Gospel, being told that God who is supposed to be merciful and loving would burn someone throughout eternity! The bible says God is just. Common sense tells us this is not justice.The Gospel is not about heaven or hell it is about life or death.
Duet. 12:30-31 Take heed to thy self, thou shalt not do so unto the lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, WHICH HE HATETH, HAVE THEY DONE UNTO THEIR gods; for even their sons and their daughters THEY HAVE BURNT IN THE FIRE TO THEIR GODS. Yet we still hear preached that if you are a sinner, God’s going to burn you for all eternity. These two scriptures show God hates the burning even of the children of the ungodly (sinners). It is certainly understandable why many have rejected the Gospel, being told that God who is supposed to be merciful and loving would burn someone throughout eternity! The bible says God is just. Common sense tells us this is not justice.The Gospel is not about heaven or hell it is about life or death.
Now this leads to the question, “What about the punishment for the likes of Hitler, Stalin and all those who have murdered millions? I did not mention there is not a lake of fire. Again, without an immortal soul you cannot burn forever but you can certainly burn for the sins you have committed whether great or small. Just as in our day, different crimes get different punishments. Yes, I believe there is a place of torment and depending on the sins committed, an allocation of time will be spent in horrific pain or Jesus would not have said that those who do harm to children would wish they had never been born. For the likes of Hitler and Stalin, that pain will be allocated to them for all who have suffered at their hands. These two men died and never paid for the atrocities they committed.
The word of God does not return unto Him void. The scriptures state; “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” “That which you sow, so shall ye reap!” We may not see those scriptures fulfilled in our lifetime, but justice will be processed, eternal life or eternal death!

Are there any quotes of the Bible that back up the last 4 paragraphs of this?
There is no disciplinary value in eternal punishment, so you can’t evoke love.
Yes, we can know the extent of evil done against God; it’s called the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and is described as ubiquitous in Romans 1 & 2.
“Plus sins against an infinite being should have an infinite punishment.” CHAPTER AND VERSE, PLEASE.
“Finally, where is the justice if all unbelievers get the same annihilation?”
1. Who says it’s the same annihilation?
2. Where is the justice if all unbelievers get the same eternal torment? Degrees of torment producing degrees of punishment is mathematically false and even contradicts your own assertion that the punishment is infinite. Infinite at the speed of light is the same experience at 2 mph.

“therefore, it is lacking scriptural support”
You have to use philosophical discussion because your idea is lacking in scriptural support.
Right, so how is forcing someone to be tortured forever more loving than forcing someone to be enlightened and freed from the lies they cling to because they are deceived? How is making something which does not, cannot correct a behavior a form is discipline? How is forcing someone to hell more loving than forcing them so heaven when nobody wants to go to hell except they be forced to “want” to go there because they chose the wrong religion?

Well, no, Jesus doesn’t even say that either salvation nor damnation are eternal or infinite, but simply into the next life. Neither the words he uses, nor the OT references they refer to have to do with “forever” or “always,” while he certainly had the vocabulary to say so if he so chose. “Æonium” means something much different from “aidium” and the early church fathers (the ones who could read) all agreed for 300 years that God doesn’t torture people forever.
Yes, annihilation is an eternal punishment; you are permanently punished by being permanently dead, which is what Genesis 3:22 was about, as well as every biblical verse about death as actual death. If I punish your school’s sports program by disqualifying you for 5 years, you don’t assemble a sports team every year for 5 years to not see them play, do you? No, if you’re sane, you don’t assemble the team at all for 5 years.
Since you acknowledge that the weregild idea to justify what you think Jesus is saying is completely alien to the Bible, try and find a philosophical argument that isn’t based on pagan law, and stop pushing such unbiblical teutonic nonsense ideas. At least try to have a somewhat semitic set of reasonings for your backwards grecianization of Jesus’s words.

Anything you said about what Europes translate as “Eternal” that was written by anyone who isn’t of semitic culture is invalid and unbiblical. There are many words that actually mean “eternal,” and they aren’t used there. You have to know what the Jews understand by olam, not what some illiterate gnostics like Tertullian and Augustine and their following scholars think of the KJV’s concordance. This isn’t philosophical. The meaning of the Bible’s words is a Biblical thing, not a philosophy.
You know it is written that there are sins that are not unto death. That means that they can be atoned for without one’s own death as was explained through Moses. It all sins were equal, all crimes would be sentenced to lapidatiom.
When you imply that I believe that annihilation is the punishment itself instead of the actual end of the punishment, you are putting words in my mouth ir straightup lying.
When you say that the fire is unquenchable, you are forgetting the fact that magnesium is unquenchable, but that doesn’t mean it burns forever. Sodom and Gomorrah are not still burning.

What’s my position? I only conjecture, because the Bible doesn’t actually say in a list the order and manner of events to each person after one dies. There is no “but if he die in his infancy before he reach his twelfth year, then the Lord shall take him unto…” written, so I don’t pretend that it does.
Why do you actually ask? Because you are interested in knowing and learning what I suspect God says, or because you want to divert attention away from your own dogma and its inconsistencies by finding some bible verse to nullify 15 others and congratulate yourself for how ‘biblical’ you are if I were to lay one out? I’m not taking that bait, and I repeat everything I said above about the vocabulary, grades of sin, and quenchability.