Part 18 The Father does not have a body

Do you even read the stuff you write? You continually cite verses that contradict your points. Yes there are a lot of symbolic expressions in the scriptures. But when Stephen “sees” Jesus standing at the right hand of God, how would he know it was God, if God is so obviously invisible? When Jesus told the Apostles “If you have seen me then you have seen the Father,” what could that possibly mean if God, again, is invisible?

Jesus Christ is perfect after resurrection. Dwell with Heavenly Father in Heaven . JESUS EXPRESS IMAGE. steve you only pointed out that your God is not a perfect. If over and over you didn’t pray for the Knowledge of Holy Ghost you will still like this.
Show me in the Bible what verses point out About danasours. Because your the man that ” to see is to believe ”

Jesus Christ not afraid to tell in Jew that he is ” I am ” that he is God. Even though it is not fit in the belief of Jew. But he afraid not. Because it is true. The gospel is Bold. It is bold and strong because most of us.until now living and using the revelation from the generation of old testament until new. But now were in a new generation. We need the knowledge of new.
That’s why I will never be surprice about Revelation 11:3-12

Dear Laki,
Why isn’t God the Father perfect? What did I write that gave you that impression?

The Bible doesn’t ask us to pray for knowledge. We are to test all things and examine all things. In Acts 17:10-12 the Bereans are commended for studying to find truth. Mormons are taught to pray for a feeling to find truth because the church has lots to hide. They don’t want you investigating the life of Joseph Smith, what 100% of all non-Mormon archaeologists say about the Book of Mormon, and how the DNA evidence shows the ancient people groups mentioned in the Book of Mormon were not from Israel.

Be wary of any church that teaches you to trust your heart over the evidence. Remember Satan masquerades as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:13-14).

Steve

Rashid,
The Trinity teaches one God subsists in 3 persons Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; co-equal and co-eternal. Jesus did claim to be God in John 8:58: Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” He was referring to the statement made to Moses in Exodus 3:14: And God said unto Moses, “I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” Now your church teaches the English word LORD is Jehovah, representing Jesus. Your church also teaches the English word God is Elohim, representing the Father. Let’s look at the Exodus passage again, examining the key words. “God said unto Moses, ‘I AM THAT I AM.'” Your church would translate this as “Elohim said unto Moses, ‘I AM THAT I AM.'” Which in the English says, “The Father said unto Moses, ‘I AM THAT I AM.'” You have a contradiction. In the Old Testament the Father says He is the I AM. In the New Testament it is Jesus who says I am the I AM. In your church is Jesus the Father?

The only solution to this problem is the doctrine of the Trinity.

Steve

when satan says to Adam that they can become a God, he was saying the truth but in evil motive, God knows that the Fall is necessary for our salvation. For knowing the right and wrong, if we choose righteousness or captivity of satan,we can never be progress without knowing the right and wrong, . Satan knows what is ouur truly purpose here. To test our faith,ang to God to look who is men that can be inherit to his kingdom and trown, Heavenly Father been in this scenario.. because God was once a man, And Jesus Christ too, for doing the things that Father did before. This is the true purpose for living here, Jesus Christ says to the jews that they are god, we are god, they never understand that because they are living in old revelation.We are the Son and daughter of God. if we use our free will in righteous way and do all the commandments and laws that revealed to the prophets . God put us in this world have the elements of Law, which law that we follow this is the law for us, Celestial law, terestial law,telestial law even outher darkness. you never know that because you’re living in old revelation,. the revelation in old testament and new testament, that necessary for their salvation. and we have the additional knowledge for us in our new generation, because God is live, and spoken in our generation now. Amos 3:7. and I believe that God never change if he use to call a Prophet a representative of God here in earth ,because he didnt came down here sand speek to us, but through prophet he did.. he always speek. He is a live and never change.. because the True Church have the prophet and apostle. evangelist etc . the true church is complete complete, not incomplete. we LDS have the spirit of revelation. Rev 19:10 and prophet is needfull until The second coming. Rev 11:3-12.

Rashid,
So you are saying Satan can tell the truth. Jesus disagreed with you. John 8:42-44 Jesus said unto them, “If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” You say Satan spoke the truth and Jesus says Satan cannot speak the truth; he is the Father of lies. Is Jesus right or are you right? If Jesus is right then you are following the father of lies, Satan.

The Bible teaches there is only 1 God. All other times the Bible mentions gods, they are always false gods. Here are some verses that directly state there is only 1 God:
1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. See also 1 Kings 18:39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.
2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text. See below…]
3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.
6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.
7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.
8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.
12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.
13. Isaiah 43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.
14. Isaiah 44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.
16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.
17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.
18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that dared ask him any question.
21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Steve

Yeah brother I believe that Jesus Christ is uncreated. Because he is the creator. He is the Father of this earth and God. And Heavenly Father is the God of our Spirit we’ve been to Him. I’m sorry I can’t speek English very well. I can’t express what I’m like talking too. But I know what your point is. I’ve heard that hundred times. But I’m trying to express what my heart saying.

But if thou dost not believe the prophets, . . . the Lord Himself shall speak to thee, “who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but humbled Himself” . . . yea, I say, the Word of God became man, that thou mayest learn from man how man may become God. Is it not then monstrous, my friends, that while God is ceaselessly exhorting us to virtue, we should spurn His kindness and reject salvation?
Quotation 2: It [the knowledge of the Gospel] leads us to the endless and perfect end, teaching us beforehand the future life that we shall lead, according to God, and with gods; after we are freed from all punishment and penalty which we undergo, in consequence of our sins, for salutary discipline. After which redemption the reward and the honors are assigned to those who have become perfect; when they have got done with perfection, and ceased from all service, though it be holy service, and among saints. They become pure in heart, and near to the Lord, there awaits their restoration to everlasting contemplation; and they are called by the appellation of gods, being destined to sit on thrones with the other gods that have been first put in their places by the Savior.

Rashid,
You believe in the writings of Joseph Smith, an occultist, treasure hunter, liar and polygamist (33 wives, 11 teenagers, and 11 had living husbands). And you say I believe in books by men, instead of God. This man was a liar from the beginning and you want to follow his writings.

Then you attack the English language because the Bible refutes your position. “God is a spirit” has the “is” of predication, meaning spirit is the nature of His being. Colossians 1:15 also says God is invisible, which is what you’d expect if He was a spirit. The Bible also says God is unchanging and was never a man. Joseph Smith made up these doctrines that contradict the Bible. So now you decide to attack the Bible.

You make the claim the Bible has been corrupted. First, it is accepted by your church as Scripture from God. And second, what is your proof? Do you have ancient manuscripts that are different from the over 5,600 manuscripts scholars have today?

Steve

all that you said about Prophet Joseph smith, is some pf trash anti mormon book, im 22 years old now sence i became an Latter day saints i’ve read that anti mormon book over and over. so its not a surprice to me that you mentioned that, even all the book. because i know its easy to you to believe to that, than to rea the book of mormon and pray for yourself. if you din’t study the basic of the Doctrine , and keep jumping in the deep doctrine, specially that you in’t elieve in Latter day prophet. your still steve now until the end, but i respect that because that is your freewill,

Rashid,
Everything I said about Joseph Smith is part of the historical record. You can live in your fantasy world, but the truth about Joseph Smith is well documented. Even Wikepedia which has both Mormon and non-Mormon contributors, contains much of the same information I posted. He was a treasure hunter, occultist, liar, polygamist (33 wives), and story teller. He was not a person to be trusted.

You call sources that print actual history of Joseph Smith “anti-Mormon.” This is simply name calling. Instead of calling them names, check out the actual background of Joseph Smith.

I recently met with missionaries and when we talked about the Book of Mormon, I mentioned Joseph Smith translated by placing his face in a hat with two stones. They claimed what I said was false and that I got that information from “anti-Mormon” sources. Recently, LDS.org finally admitted Joseph Smith did translate with his head in a hat. The next time we met, the missionaries had to apologize. Web sites and books that are labeled “anti-Mormon” many times are giving the truth and Mormons don’t want to hear it. Name calling does nothing to help you.

Steve

, its not a propaganda, ITS an answer to the heresy that you said. its not fair if you didn’t post what i’ve said. how can we establish the truth.