How to Test a Worldview Part 4 Testing Atheism & Hinduism

Atheism loves to attack other belief systems.  However, it has its own problems.  I have yet to hear anyone make a strong case for why atheism is true.  It seems 99% of the time atheists try to prove other worldviews false.

Since atheism doesn’t have a standard set of doctrines or answers to these tough questions, I used responses I’ve heard, read, or were logical outcomes of the worldview.  Let’s see how they do when tested.

1.   God – Who and what is God?  Does God exist?

  • God does not exist.

2.   Ultimate Reality – How does your worldview explain the existence of reality?  How did the universe come about?

  • Universe came into existence from nothing by nothing.
  • The other option is the universe is eternal. Philosophy and science rules out this possibility.

3.   Origin of life – How did life begin?  How did we get here?

  • Life spontaneously arose from non-life.
  • Life went slime in a pond to us; from simple to complex; descent with modification (all life came from the same early life form).  As some have said “goo to you via the zoo.”

4.   Ethics – What is the basis for morality?  Where do moral truths come from?

  • Morality is manmade.
  • Our sense of morality is passed down through the genes.
  • “Might makes right,” which means whoever is in power makes the rules.

5.   Death – What happens when we die?

  • We go out of existence and our bodies return to the earth.
  • There is no afterlife.

6.   Problem of evil – Does evil exist?  What is the source of evil?

  • It arises from human ignorance.
  • Evil is decided by the majority.  To call something universally evil you need a standard.  There are no objective moral truths.  Therefore, without a universal standard the word “evil” is meaningless.

7.   Meaning to Life – Do we have a purpose and what is it?

  • No ultimate meaning to life.
  • Any meaning or purpose to life depends on the imagination of the individual.

8.   Knowledge – Where does knowledge come from?

  • Information comes from molecules and matter.
  • All actions are a result of stimulus and response.  Free will is an illusion. All life is deterministic.
  • Rationality comes from irrationality, material processes.

I will briefly test the atheistic worldview with REAL.  I will focus on the test of reason.  An atheist has to believe life comes from non-life, design comes from chance, rationality comes from irrationality, and morality (or right and wrong) comes from chemicals.  The difference between mother Teresa and Hitler was a chemical imbalance.  Are these reasonable answers?  Other than an atheist, who would believe this?

Vedanta Hinduism

  1. God:  Brahman is the only God who exists.  Hinduism is pantheistic, which means God is all and all is God.  There is only one reality.  Brahman is inexpressible and indefinable.
  2. Ultimate Reality:  The material world is an illusion, it is Maya.
  3. Authority: The Hindu scriptures are called the Vedas.  The goal of the scriptures became known as the Vedanta, meaning the end.  It is one of 6 schools of Hinduism.
  4. Death: Vedanta Hinduism teaches reincarnation.  Based on the good we do in this life we get to enjoy heaven for a period of time and then we are reincarnated back to earth at a higher level than the last time.  If we do evil while on earth we eat of the bitter fruits for our evil deeds.  Then we return to earth to do better.  Higher states of heaven and earth are rewards for good deeds and lower states are punishments we earn.  Ultimately, we will achieve liberation from Samsara (the cycle of rebirths) and union with Brahman.
  5. Problem of evil: Difficult to answer the source and existence of evil.

I will give it the REAL test.

  1. REASON: Do any answers violate reason or logic?  Where does evil come from?  If everything is God, then is evil God?  If all is God then how do you define good and evil?  There are no distinctions (all in one) and therefore there are no differences between good and evil.  (Read C.S. Lewis Mere Christianity page 33: Rival Conceptions of God)
  1. EXPERIENCE: Does your answer match the way we perceive or experience the world?   The belief all existence is an illusion contradicts the idea that I can know that I am a player in the illusion.  If we are all part of an illusion, Maya, then how would we possibly know that?  Does Charlie Brown know he is a cartoon character?  You have to know the real to know what is not real.
  2. Authority:  What is the evidence the Vedas is a reliable source of information? Must justify reincarnation and any teaching that violates logic and reason.
  3. Live:  Can a person live as if the world is an illusion?  The answer is no.  All who believe in Hinduism will still stop at red lights to avoid being run over.

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  • thoran June 8, 2017, 12:22 am

    “I have yet to hear anyone make a strong case for why atheism is true.”

    That doesn’t make any sense. A lack of belief can’t “Be true”.

    “It seems 99% of the time atheists try to prove other worldviews false.”

    That’s what Atheism is, the belief that Theism is bullshit.

    “Since atheism doesn’t have a standard set of doctrines or answers to these tough questions,”

    FINALLY! A theist who gets it. …you’re about to ruin it aren’t you. I just gained respect for you and that’s about to fly out the window isn’t it?

    I used responses I’ve heard, read, or were logical outcomes of the worldview. Let’s see how they do when tested.

    “1. God – Who and what is God? Does God exist?

    God does not exist.”
    That’s not an answer to the question you just asked yourself.

    “2. Ultimate Reality – How does your worldview explain the existence of reality?”

    Huh?

    “How did the universe come about?”

    The entire universe or the Known universe? Because we only have a rough idea about the known universe as we know it.

    “Universe came into existence from nothing by nothing.”
    Bullshit.
    “The other option is the universe is eternal. Philosophy and science rules out this possibility.”
    How so? Also, that is NOT the “other” possability. There are other options, such as the ACTUAL Big Bang Theory. The first option you proposed was not the Big Bang Theory but a version of the Big Bang Theory dumb down to the point that a complete moron can understand it and then that complete moron pointed out how stupid his own stupid misunderstanding of the Big Bang Theory was.
    3. “Origin of life – How did life begin? How did we get here?”

    Abiogenesis.

    “Life spontaneously arose from non-life.”
    You’re an idiot.
    “Life went slime in a pond to us; from simple to complex; descent with modification (all life came from the same early life form). As some have said “goo to you via the zoo.””
    Closer, but you said it in a really stupid way. So no points.
    “4. Ethics – What is the basis for morality? Where do moral truths come from?”

    Oh Satan, please don’t say what I think you’re gonna say.

    “Morality is manmade.
    Our sense of morality is passed down through the genes.
    “Might makes right,” which means whoever is in power makes the rules.”
    *sigh*
    Why is “not being a sociopath” such a difficult concept for Theists to understand?

    “5. Death – What happens when we die?”

    You smell bad.

    “We go out of existence and our bodies return to the earth.
    There is no afterlife.”
    well, you got something right.
    “6. Problem of evil – Does evil exist? What is the source of evil?

    It arises from human ignorance.
    Evil is decided by the majority. To call something universally evil you need a standard. There are no objective moral truths. Therefore, without a universal standard the word “evil” is meaningless.”
    That’s not even a straw-man! You’re quoting other theists ARGUING AGAINST a straw-man of us and presenting those arguments as US saying it!

    “7. Meaning to Life – Do we have a purpose and what is it?”

    Don’t know don’t care, and smarter people than you have failed to figure it out.

    “No ultimate meaning to life.
    Any meaning or purpose to life depends on the imagination of the individual.”
    You got a better answer? Other than being slave to some giant with a beard?
    “8. Knowledge – Where does knowledge come from?”

    Data. Duh!

    “Information comes from molecules and matter.”
    What???!!!

    “All actions are a result of stimulus and response. Free will is an illusion. All life is deterministic.
    Rationality comes from irrationality, material processes.”

    A straw-man is a warped version of someone else’s actual beliefs. The less it has in common with what your oponent actually believes, the worse the straw-man is. the worst straw-men of all are the ones that are so far from the way your oponent actually thinks, your oponent doesn’t even understand it and needs you to explain it.
    “Rationality comes from irrationality”? WTF??!!

    “An atheist has to believe life comes from non-life,”

    To believe that, we have to believe that there is a strict immutable distinction between “Life” and “non-life” like the difference between “wood” and “metal”. We don’t. In fact, we can’t believe that if we believe in abiogenesis. We don’t even talk like that! YOU GUYS use the word “non-life”. We don’t. ‘non-life’ isn’t very scientific. What about near-death experiences? What about frozen sperm? What about chemicals? What about frogs that can survive being frozen? What about frog’s legs attached to an electrode?

    “design comes from chance,”

    Wrong. Evolution isn’t designed and “chance” alone is not how it works.

    “rationality comes from irrationality,”

    What? I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean.

    “and morality (or right and wrong) comes from chemicals.”

    *rubs forehead*

    “The difference between mother Teresa and Hitler was a chemical imbalance.”

    Where are you even getting this bullshit?

    “Are these reasonable answers?”

    No they’re not and you should be ashamed of yourself for pulling them out of your ass.

    “Other than an atheist, who would believe this?”

    You.

    “Vedanta Hinduism”

    I am not a Hinduist and therefore I cannot speak for them. However, I am going to make a statement:

    Everything this guy says about hinduism is complete bullshit he pulled out of his ass.

    If any actual Hindus are reading this, please, I invite you to either confirm or refute that statement.

  • Steve Bruecker June 10, 2017, 9:44 am

    Thoran,
    I found it humorous that you say atheism is not a belief but a lack of belief. And then your proceed to attack much of what I said with your beliefs about those topics. In other words your entire belief system is self-refuting. Your “lack of belief” = strong beliefs in why there is no God. Your strong beliefs in why you think there is no God is called atheism.

    If you are right in saying atheism is a lack of belief then my dog is an atheist; mustard is an atheist; dirt is an atheist; your big toe is an atheist. I could go on but you get my point. Atheism as simply non-belief proves too much.

    Second, do you really believe there is no God? If this is true, then you are making a positive claim that needs to be supported. If you don’t think you have to defend a claim, then I am wasting my time talking to someone who stands for nothing. Either you have a worldview that needs defending or if not then what makes you different from my doorknob on my front door when it comes to talking about God.

    Third, since non-beliefs don’t lead to actions, then discussing worldviews with you is a waste of time. Your beliefs have zero impact on anyone. All you can do is whine, since you don’t have a belief.

    No matter how you try to weasel out of it, atheism is a positive belief system that needs to be defended. If you cannot, then I understand. The evidence against it is overwhelming and realizing that, you hide behind your statement, “I don’t have to defend because I have a lack of belief.”

    When you admit you have strong beliefs, I will attempt to answer your objections.

    Steve Bruecker

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